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Rep. Ed Schrock is a two-term Republican congressman from Virginia's Second District.  The National Journal ties him as the second most conservative person in all of Congress in 2003, behind only Dennis Hastert.  This isn't necessarily a turn-off in his district, which includes Virginia Beach, home of Pat Robertson, as well as Hampton Roads, home of 300,000 active-duty military and veterans.  A strong family man with a wife and kids, Schrock was a co-sponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment and opposes any possible rights for gay people, including non-discrimination in employment.

The problem is, his constituents may soon discriminate against his employment, as Schrock also seeks out gay sex on telephone dating services, and gay activists are about to release the tapes.


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BlogActive has given everyone a heads-up.  I've actually heard part of one tape, played to me over the phone by a "friend in high places" in DC.  The tip-off was probably when he said, "You must be very discreet.  I cannot overemphasize that," while the rest definitely did not sound like what a member of Congress might say.  All three of Schrock's offices stopped taking calls on Friday, and the Virginia media are waiting for proof before they pounce.

In the meantime, we have a great challenger in Democrat David Ashe.  A Marine Corps. lawyer, Iraq War veteran and Ground Zero bucket brigade volunteer, Ashe can compete against Schrock's record as a gay Navy veteran of 24 years who opposes gays in the military.  Ashe hasn't received much funding from the party so far, but has recently appeared at rallies with both Max Cleland and John Kerry.  Ashe considers himself a "proud Democrat," and was until now considered a long-shot, as the district was crafted by Republicans to discourage Democratic challengers.

Ashe criticizes Schrock as "doing what he's told" in consistently voting with Bush against his constituents' interests.  Ashe says Schrock neglected veterans' benefits and mounting deficits while supporting lop-sided tax cuts for the rich, the disastrous Medicare bill, and No Irony Left Behind.  Ashe would roll back tax cuts for those making over $300,000, oppose the unfunded NCLB mandate, support pay-as-you-go budget rules, and fight for a real prescription drug benefits bill.  Ashe also opposes the Federal Marriage Amendment, unlike his married gay opponent, and supports fair trade as well as a woman's right to a "safe, legal and rare" abortion.

You can visit David Ashe's website, which includes a sort of non-blog blog, a nice issues page, and, of course, a contribution form.

Update: There's concern by some in the comments that this is unfair to Schrock. First, this is simply the hand we were dealt. It now appears Democrats at the state and national level were aware of this when Schrock first ran, but did nothing. Now, however, an outside activist is outing him anyway. Second, how is this revelation, in this situation, a dirty tactic? As I asked in the comments, what if Schrock, an opponent of abortion, were exposed as someone who had encouraged a female mistress to have an abortion? Would exposing that be a dirty tactic as well? Both situations involve the exposure of a cheater who has opposed the private rights of others, while taking advantage of those same private rights himself.

Originally posted to Michael D on Tue Aug 24, 2004 at 09:30 PM PDT.

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  •  Any Recommendations? (4.00)
    It's currently 12:30am in Schrock's district, and unless this diary gets recommended, it will be well off the main page by the time his constituents wake up.

    "You must be very discreet. I cannot overemphasize that."
    --Rep. Ed Schrock, FMA co-sponsor, while seeking gay sex on a telephone dating service.

    by Michael D on Tue Aug 24, 2004 at 09:30:48 PM PDT

    •  "It's the hypocrisy, stupid!" (4.00)
      should be the campaign slogan this year.

      "The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret" - T. Pratchett (change @ for AT to email)

      by bellatrys on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 04:05:34 AM PDT

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    •  Wrong race, wrong place, wrong tactics (none)
      So this is what the Democratic party has descended to?  Real nice.  

      BTW, "Hypocisy" is a Northern idea.  Southerners understand perfectly well that public piety and private vice is the rule, not the exception.  That's just life in the South.  What they despise is getting caught at it, not the sin itself.  And a lot of them, not all, but a lot, will blow this off as 'poliitics', especially if it's just phone sex with no prooven ID.

      Save your money and your energy for a better race, one that can give Speaker Pelosi a unified caucus.  It doesn't matter if the D in this race is 100% liberal.  He is never going to be able to vote with the caucus on anything that matters.  Not war, not taxes, not abortion or any other 'culture war' issue.  Move on to a race which will provide an effective and more unified caucus.  Let's have no more Stephanie Herseths or the other 27 traitors.  It ain't about the candidates, it's about the district.  Lost cause if ever there was one.  Putting money in here means diverting it from a winnable race with and effective and loyal caucus member.

      George's classmates on his performance at Harvard, "...completely out of his depth." (and two decades of drug and alcohol abuse haven't helped any.)

      by NorCalJim on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 07:54:44 AM PDT

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      •  Here we go again (none)
        At least you've given up on trying to blame the outing campaign for McGreevey's resignation. That's a step up.

        I'm not sure where exactly you've lived in the South, but there's no way in hell that this guy will stay in office if he's outed. These are audio tapes and transcripts. There are also supposedly reciepts proving it's him. If this isn't swept under the rug (as it may be), then at best, he would get reelected and then retire in 2006, or face a very nasty primary. Or he might luck out and become some kind of ex-gay posterboy for Congress.

        "Hypocisy" knows no nationality. Just ask Paul Patton. Or the Republican state senator in GA who cheated on his wife with 2 different women, was named in one of their divorce cases, moved out on his wife 2 years ago, and lost a primary this year. People don't like this stuff. I've seen more Northern Republicans like Henry Hyde survive "hypocisy" than Southern Republicans.

      •  The Race, Place and Tactics we were Given (4.00)
        So this is what the Democratic party has descended to?  Real nice.

        First, the Democrats are not involved here.  They were, it now appears, aware of this as early as 2000, when Schrock first ran, and did nothing.  Second, I don't believe this tactic, in this situation, is "descending" below reasonability.  As I asked below, what if he, an opponent of abortion, were exposed as someone who had encouraged a female mistress to have an abortion?  Would exposing that be a dirty tactic as well?  Both situations involve the exposure of a cheater who has opposed the private rights of others, while taking advantage of those same private rights himself.

        It doesn't matter if the D in this race is 100% liberal.  He is never going to be able to vote with the caucus on anything that matters.

        Regardless of whether he'll always be able to vote with the caucus, he'll be able to vote with the caucus on the one thing that matters most: Nancy Pelosi for House Majority Leader.

        •  It's not the one thing that matters (none)
          Go elsewhere and find an effective loyal caucus member from a persuadable district.  THis is just a money waster.

          George's classmates on his performance at Harvard, "...completely out of his depth." (and two decades of drug and alcohol abuse haven't helped any.)

          by NorCalJim on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 08:23:26 AM PDT

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          •  I Like a Challenge (none)
            I think the more persuadable districts are already being worked on.  This is just a new opportunity.  D-Trip is certainly welcome to focus on whatever races it wants, but the Internet can play a role in helping more long-shot and lucky-break candidates.  In the end, it's up to whomever wants to contribute.
            •  The D. opponent will be gone in 2 yrs. (none)
              No matter what.  It's a short term investment.  Speculation.  Not a long term investment.  Which we need more of.

              George's classmates on his performance at Harvard, "...completely out of his depth." (and two decades of drug and alcohol abuse haven't helped any.)

              by NorCalJim on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 04:10:11 PM PDT

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              •  I'm not so sure about that (none)
                Bush only got 55% of the vote in the new 2nd district back in 2000. The district was made about 2 points more pro-Bush after the 2000 census. So, this seat solidly leans Republican in presidential elections, but Bush won't win this seat in a landslide.

                The district had a Democrat in Congress for 14 years prior to Schrock winning in 2000. In 2000, in an open race, Schrock only won by 4 points. A Democratic incumbent in this seat would have a very strong chance of winning reelection if he kept a moderate voting record. Even though he would likely be one of the most vulnerable incumbents, incumbent congressmen very rarely lose.

        •  Minor nit (none)
          We'd actually like him to vote for Pelosi for Speaker of the House, which is a different office than Majority Leader (Tom DeLay being the current Majority Leader). But anyhoo...
          •  Thanks (none)
            Congressional hierarchies aren't my strong suit.  To me, it's just a chess board with "horsies" and "castles" on it.  I figured a house minority leader would become a house majority leader when the minority becomes the majority.
      •  Sure... (4.00)
        Yeah, let's make sure we always play nice.  That way we can at least feel morally superior while we continue to lose, lose, lose, lose, lose, lose, lose.
    •  O/T (none)
      Michael D-

      I've been waiting for a radio thread from you but I've grown impatient...

      What do you make of the vacation that Unfiltered and the Majority Report went on a week or two ago?  The fact that they were simultaneous and didn't use subs to keep broadcasting live made me suspicious.  

      Do you think there might be a reshuffling in the mix-  Unfiltered, IMO, is only getting worse and Majority Report seems defiant in their amateurism.

      More scoops, please!

      •  Morning Mix (none)
        I haven't had a radio diary lately because not much has happened since Thursday, except that the announced San Diego and Ann Arbor affiliates of Air America came aboard Monday as expected.  Regarding the morning programming, I can ask around about that.  I don't know if something was up, other than that they simply got a break after the convention.  But if you don't like where the morning programming is going, hope may be on the way, as it were.  Stephanie Miller will be on the air with a new morning show in a few weeks, syndicated by the Jones Radio Network.  It wouldn't be much of a stretch for stations with Air America programming to put her on, something the Amazing Kreskin in me predicted even before it was known Miller was coming back to radio.
    •  and how to do that? (none)
      I'm missing something obvious,
      for sure. but how to rate a diary?

      I've figured out how to rate
      a comment on a diary, but
      where?
      how?
      what?
      for the main dairy entry --
      beats me.

  •  Go For It (4.00)
    This is the type of district we need to try to win.  When Pat Robertson has to try to defend Virginia Beach(!), we should be able to win around the country more, and hopefully this district.  David Ashe is the type of person we need in the US Congress.  Ed Schrock is not.

    Rule Number 1 of Politics: Be on offense.
    Rule Number 2 of Politics: Be on offense.

  •  wow (none)
    what are the chances Schrock will resign and be replaced with a viable Republican candidate?

    Between this and Ginny Schrader -- does the DCCC have a special fund for lucky break candidates?

    •  No special fund, but David Ashe is worthy... (4.00)
      For what it's worth, regardless of this Schrocking (ouch) potential scandal, David Ashe is a great candidate for VA-2.  The man just got back from active duty in Iraq.  He is a Marine.  He's married to a nurse.  We need someone like him to be the face of Democrats in VA-2 to show that Democrats have strong military credentials, too, since so much of the workforce in that area is either military or in an ancillary role related to the military.

      John Kerry campaigned in Norfolk on July 27, and yesterday's SUSA poll shows these results in southeastern Virginia:

      Bush 47
      Kerry 45
      Other 4
      Undecided 3

      Among all military/veterans in VA, it's:

      Bush 52
      Kerry 43
      Other 4
      Undecided 3

      Supporting David Ashe's campaign may not unseat Schrock, even if this scandal erupts fully in the coming weeks.  (From the most recent update on BlogActive, it looks like the author's sources have backed off somewhat, so who knows if this will go anywhere.)  I welcome the attention for David Ashe, though.  If an aggressive campaign for Ashe in VA-2 can result in pulling the 3 percent undecided in Southeast VA over to the Kerry side, that will make a big difference for VA overall.

      BTW, you can support all of our Democratic candidates for Congress, including David Ashe, at our Turn Virginia Blue donation page.  

      David Ashe has been invited to our Turn Virginia Blue Barbecue this weekend, but we haven't yet heard back from his campaign.  However, four other great candidates for Congress from VA will be there, including James Socas from VA-10 (against Frank Wolf), Ken Longmyer from VA-11 (against Tom Davis), Al Weed from VA-5 (against turncoat former Democrat Virgil not-so-Goode), and Congressman Jim Moran from VA-8.  

      Even though David may not make it up to Arlington on Sunday, you can still send him some turkee on our ActBlue donations page.  SUSA has us within 4 points of Bush in VA.  Zogby tonight said 1% separates us.  Helping David Ashe turn out Democratic voters in VA-2 is a worthy investment.

      •  Latest Post (none)
        From the most recent update on BlogActive, it looks like the author's sources have backed off somewhat, so who knows if this will go anywhere.

        That's not how I read it.  In the comments of the previous post, commenters were revealing more of the situation, and the authors of BlogActive, specifically Michael Rogers, had already committed to the announced time table for release.  Specifically, he said he would release information the week before the GOP convention.  I think the current post, which simply states that he's hiding the comments ahead of the tapes' release, is nothing to be concerned about.

  •  pretty sketchy (none)
    You offer only a teaser of proof to be made public at a later date.

    I don't mean to equate being gay with being a liar who fraudulently earns medals.  But this kind of rumor-mongering and personal smear is exactly the kind of thing that makes the Swift Boat Liars so despicable. (Sadly,  with Schrock's base of support,  this is considered a very nasty smear.)

    What makes it worse is that I'm not sure if you're doing this to pass along a juicy a tidbit or if you're trying to use nasty gossip to gin up some fundraising for your long-shot candidate.
    In which case you would be defrauding the Kos community.

    So,  if this doesn't hit the fan in VA soon,  I'm sorry to say I'll be treating VA-02 as a safe R for this cycle.

    (But if you're got something to back this up,  the hypocrite deserves to be out on his ass and I'll be happy to cut Ashe a check.)

    •  dude... (4.00)
      the guy said he heard part of one phone conversation. i trust he's not spreading malicious gossip.

      i love these types of stories. whenever i argue with my GOP evangelical friends, i always say that the GOP has a fucked up theology and the Dems are much more in line with the teachings of the NT. hypocrisy, temptation, lust, greed, addictions, i can understand and forgive all those things. what i cannot forgive is hypocrisy about hypocrisy, which is what the GOP has been all about for the last decade it seems. i always said the more obsessed you were with Clinton's sex life, the more you had to hide in your own.

      •  i just want to hear the tapes before contributing (none)
        it sounds "too good to be true"  

        I feel a little bad that I hope for it to be true

        we really don't need any more closeted self-hating gays in this world,  and the prospects of a  pick-up house seat don't  seem to fully justify wanting to have a guy in that position

        but hey,  if it's true,  we make our move

        •  Absolutely Understandable (4.00)
          i just want to hear the tapes before contributing

          I absolutely understand that.  I'm sure, though, Ashe wouldn't want this campaign to be all about Schrock's private life.  Ashe is certainly an attractive candidate in his own right.

          "You must be very discreet. I cannot overemphasize that."
          --Rep. Ed Schrock, FMA co-sponsor, while seeking gay sex on a telephone dating service.

          by Michael D on Tue Aug 24, 2004 at 10:26:54 PM PDT

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      •  Amen (none)
        always said the more obsessed you were with Clinton's sex life, the more you had to hide in your own.

        I thought the Clinton affair scandal would get nowhere with my Republican friends (back when I still had a few) but it never occurred to me that they would pounce on it ("That's the WORST thing anyone could do." "I would NEVER!" "Now I hate him more than ever!") to deflect from their own extramarital dalliances.

        God I hate GOoPers.

        The polls don't tell us how a candidate is doing, they tell us how the media is doing.

        by Thumb on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 06:27:14 AM PDT

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    •  I Live in Oregon (4.00)
      I have no ties to Virginia or David Ashe.  BlogActive is run by prominent gay activists who have a proven record of outing hypocrites and would have their reputations shot and their pants sued off them by falsely outing a member of Congress.  Also, they are not the only source of these tapes.  In addition, if this allegation were not true, you'd think Schrock might deny it, rather than completely stonewall the media.  Schrock's sudden mid-campaign silence obviously isn't proof of the allegations, but it would probably be a good strategy for someone who's been falsely accused and is being hounded by reporters to simply deny it.

      That said, I don't fault you for being cautious.

      "You must be very discreet. I cannot overemphasize that."
      --Rep. Ed Schrock, FMA co-sponsor, while seeking gay sex on a telephone dating service.

      by Michael D on Tue Aug 24, 2004 at 10:16:58 PM PDT

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  •  I don't like this idea (3.00)
    If Schrock is gay I don't like the idea of outing him. I think it's wrong.
    •  oh well (4.00)
      I think the Federal Hate Amendment is morally wrong, but Schrock co-sponsored it anyway..
    •  sorry (4.00)
      you're a public figure who makes a living off bashing gay folks and denying them rights. that makes your sex life fair game in my opinion. outing staffers though, i am totally absolutely against.

      as a christian, i do feel sorry for this man and what his family must be going through. and i know it is wrong for me to take joy in seeing his possible demise. still, it feels damn good if it's all true.

      •  Despite Shrock's... (none)
        hypocrisy, he is representing the majority (probably vast majority) feeling in his district in Virginia regarding the FMA.  That said, if Clinton's private life was fair game it is hard to see where this (Shrock's infidelity) would not be made an issue.
      •  Exactly (4.00)
        It's unbelievable that some would oppose outing another who viciously opposes gay rights. it's like protecting Roy Cohn! My God people.. WAKE UP!

        I'm tired of letting the Right attack us and not responding.

        HIT BACK!

        Re-Defeat Bush in 2004

        by Bidabunch on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:06:08 AM PDT

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    •  How is it Wrong? (4.00)
      That's a perfectly legitimate opinion, but can you explain why not?  For example, if he, an opponent of abortion, were exposed as someone who had encouraged a female mistress of having an abortion, would you be opposed the the exposure of that information as well?  Both situations involve the exposure of a cheater who has opposed the private rights of others, while taking advantage of those same private rights himself.

      "You must be very discreet. I cannot overemphasize that."
      --Rep. Ed Schrock, FMA co-sponsor, while seeking gay sex on a telephone dating service.

      by Michael D on Tue Aug 24, 2004 at 10:22:42 PM PDT

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    •  disagree (4.00)
      I'm against outing usually, but this guy is an FMA sponsor. He is actively working to oppress other gays in America. Exposing his rank hypocrisy is absolutely fair game.
    •  the issue is not his being gay (4.00)
      It's his being a hypocrite.

      I agree, it's uncomfortable. But think of it this way -- if any of his constituents vote for him because he is anti-gay, then don't they have a right to know that the man they are voting for is gay? Don't they have a right to know that this man's words do not mirror his actions?

      •  Quality of proof (none)

        In order to prove homosexuality for outing purposes, a recent, same-sex lover should be required.  Schrock could deny that the voice on the phone was his, or failing that, he could confess to getting drunk and doing something stupid.  He could also claim that Jesus steered him away from that particular temptation.    

        Further, if that district is really 47/45 Bush, 4% Other, a center-left Democrat goes into that race with an ideological advantage, since Other usually means Nader, Green or Libertarian, in that order.  

        I'd recommend getting more proof before making announcements.

        •  No Fluke (none)
          This definitely wasn't "one MegaMates ad one time when I was drunk."  The tapes have been passed around for a few years now (the ones I'm aware of are from 2000-2001), and there's more evidence than just the tapes.  I understand you're just playing devil's advocate, though.

          Also, this isn't the only member of Congress who will be outed once this is all done.

      •  I agree, I stand four-square behind outing. (none)
        There is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay.  Being a hypocrite who actively hurts gay people, now that is something I cannot stomach.  I, for one, will not protect closeted people who harm gay folks.  
    •  Disagree (4.00)
      It's essential to out hypocrites like this asshole.  How much harm has this legislator done to gay Americans?  
    •  I'm gay & don't believe in outing, EXCEPT..... (none)
      I believe each person should have the time and space to come to terms with their own sexuality. I believe in privacy and live and let live.

      But this case is such a no brainer. This man has consciously made an effort to discriminate against people who want to openly live lives that he wants to live privately. When someone else's actions trample on mine, that person's actions must be revealed. Had he taken a lower profile and avoided this fight, I would say, leave him alone. But this dipshit stepped right into this.

      In fact, anyone so stupid as to take a high profile on a cause that cuts against him is passive-aggressively demanding that someone out him and end the charade he's living.

      "Strength and wisdom are not opposing values" ~ The Big Dawg

      by John Campanelli on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 06:56:53 AM PDT

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      •  Hear, hear... (none)
        These guys pass as pure-white, super-straight, defenders of the hearth and so-called traditional values and ultra-patriots.  I say "pass" because that's exactly what it is, a front, a disguise and a disgrace. Then, when they assume positions of power, they mess with regular folks who just want to exert their own rights and say their own truth.  I've never been able to figure out why the pose, especially when exposure would mean the destruction of the mask they have created and the power they have amassed. Why do they think that they could evade judgment day?

        Fck 'em.

        We never got the 40 acres. We didn't get the mule. So we decided we'd ride this donkey as far as it would take us. - Reverend Al Sharpton

        by blksista on Tue Aug 31, 2004 at 12:26:17 PM PDT

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    •  I usually agree but... (none)
      man, if it's true, this guy's like cancer in the gay community.  He's eating his own.  
    •  aoeu (none)
      I think it's right.

      Leave it to (some of (Maryscott I love you)) the straights to tell us gays how to live.

      The turtle sees some
      "Dim Witted Veterans for Bush"
      He don't believe them.

      by TealVeal on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:01:13 AM PDT

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  •  I'm not gay (4.00)
    but my boyfriend is.

    California Uber Alles

    by joeesha on Tue Aug 24, 2004 at 10:21:40 PM PDT

  •  O/t for Mike D (none)
    Given your insight and contact with the media, can you explain how cnn become so crooked, that even Alex Stanley mocked them and Wolf in Tuesday's Times.
  •  Hold off on the tape (none)
    I'd love to see them wait a few weeks before they release the tape.  Let Hypocrite Schrock think they are bluffing and then when it's too late for him to drop out and step aside for a viable Republican replacement, then hit him with it.

    Certainly forcing this guy out would be justice.  However, I suspect he'll go the McGreevey route any day now and we'll wind up with a Republican who bashes gays because he is genuinely a bigot.  If Schrock were to hold on for another 4-6 weeks, it might be too late for a Republican replacement to step in and win.

    •  VA GOP break laws all the time (none)
      Look at them putting Nader on the ballot even when he didn't actually make it on there through any legal process.

      They will find a replacement.

      It's better to out him now, before the convention, and hope it gets some press. And personally, I don't really care much if someone who "genuinely" bashes gays take the seat in the place of a self-hating queer. At least that will send other closeted Republicans a message. And sometimes the worst enemy of gays is a self-hating homosexual. Roy Cohn anyone...

      •  I think you misunderstood what I was saying (none)
        The VA Repugs will definitely try to get someone else on the ballot. I'm saying if we string them along, then we can make it so by the time they get someone else on there, it will be too late for them to run a winning campaign.  If Schrock resigns today we'll lose the seat to his replacement.  If he resigns Sept. 30, we'll win the seat over his replacement.
        •  Well... (none)
          Depending on how disgraced the local party is, they could start a rumor about who the replacement will be, so that it is included in the news stories. Builds name ID if nothing else.

          Bush/Cheney - Four More Months

          by pellucidity on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 05:50:33 AM PDT

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        •  You have more faith in them than I do (none)
          I'm sorry, I just don't believe for a minute that they will follow the 9/30 date. The VA courts are pretty far to the right, they can get away with it. I mean we did the same w/Toricelli anyway.

          Honestly I'm not sure that someone who is pro-choice or anti-FMA could win in that district anyway.

          •  We're still not on the same page. (none)
            There is no "9/30 date".  I was just using that as an example of a date by which it would be too late for a replacement to win (not to get on the ballot, just to win).  

            I'm saying (I guess not clealry) that the Republicans WILL get a replacement on regardless of when the guy drops out, but if he waits too long to drop out, the replacement's campaign will be hurt.

            If the replacement gets to start today, the Rs will have no trouble holding the seat, but if the replacement has to wait a few more weeks (like, for example 9/30), it will hurt him.

            Does that clear it up?

            •  Well I see your point, but (none)
              my point is that I think the Republican is going to have a very easy time keeping this seat regardless of who is running. This district has Regent University, for God's sake. It's Pat Robertson territory. They aren't likely to elect a Democrat, much less one who is pro-choice and anti-FMA.

              Ashe seems like a very nice guy, very handsome, very articulate, but for me, this is more about exposing GOP hypocrisy than about gaining a seat.

              Think of what would happen if, say, Jim McDermott was found to be involved in major financial scandals with Jerry Falwell and Karl Rove (I know it isn't going to happen, so please don't attack me, Jim fans). He was forced to resign a month before the election. An anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-environment Republican campaigns like hell in the district, hoping for a chance to win the open seat.

              Do you think he'd have any shot at all?

              •  Owen Pickett (none)
                This district was previously held by Democrat Owen Pickett, who, according to this site, voted against the partial-birth abortion ban and for a ban on gay adoptions in DC.  VA-02 was redistricted to give more of an advantage to Republicans in the 106th congress, Schrock's first term, but it's still capable of nominating a Democrat who promotes military interests.  Ashe is certainly to the left of his district, however, and even if he is elected, he would be a pretty unsafe incumbent.
                •  Gerrymandering (none)
                  sells the story then. VA's gerrymandering was pretty rough.

                  Anyway, I don't wish this man ill. I will go around everywhere telling people about his campaign, especially if the scandal hits (I have serious doubts -- the media is likely to keep this quiet since it's a Republican). I just don't think he has any real chance of winning.

            •  Filing Deadline (none)
              According to this government site, the filing deadline for a primary nomination was April 9, the filing deadline for a non-primary nomination was May 7, and the primary election was June 8.  There could actually be a law that allows the VA GOP to field a replacement candidate by emergency procedures given a candidate withdrawal, however.  I have no idea.  Some states also leave it to the discretion of a judge to determine in such situations what's in the best interest of the voters.
  •  I kept asking myself (4.00)
    how would I handle this if Schrock were a Democrat?

    Then I realized, the question I should be asking is, "How would Schrock handle it if Ashe were the one being accused?"

    Then the answer was clear as day. If the allegations are true, Schrock is a hypocrite and must be challenged to explain. (By the way- isn't it interesting that Gay Marriage isn't listed on his "Issues" page?)

    •  Running With It (none)
      Speaking of how it would be handled, I was told by my "friend in high places" that the Virginian-Pilot, state Dems, national Dems, the local gay newspaper, and Schrock's 2000 opponent, Jody Wagner, were all aware of this in 2000 and had access to the tapes, but chose not to use them.
      •  Makes no sense to me (none)
        They should have used this while they had a chance. Typical gutlessness. At least this year has finally taught gays to fight back.
      •  Difference between 2000, 2002, and 2004 (4.00)
        Is that dems have finally figured out that the rules of this political war have changed and now are practicing their political tactics.

        It is the hypocrisy of course.  And persecuting people for exactly what he has been doing.  The only person who had the guts to do this before was Larry Flynt outing men in Congress who had affairs.  We got rid of several GOPers because of this.  His outing these people was the only bright spot of those terrible years.

        Bad me, bad me. :)

        •  Michelangelo Signorile (none)
          outed people for years. Barbara Mikulski (after she voted for DOMA), Malcolm Forbes, Pete Williams (to try to stop the ugly purging of gays from high federal ranks in '91), etc. He was crucified for that in the 90's. Today he probably looks back and laughs.

          Bob Dornan also seemed to relish outing people. We have him to "thank" for getting WI's Steve Gunderson out of office. He outed him on the House floor in '94. In '96 Newtie told poor Steve that he'd better not run again (he had run as gay in '94 and won reelection fairly easily) or he would face a brutal primary. Steve quit. The GOP expected the seat to stay red, since they'd had it for 15 years. Instead, it went to a Dem and has stayed blue ever since.

          •  Gunderson is out (none)
            And that's bad???

            Sorry, but I'll take a straight Democrat over a gay Republican any day.

            •  Tell me where I said (none)
              it was bad for a Democrat to have that seat.

              Oh, you can't? What a shocker, huh? Thanks for playing.

              Yeah, I think it's bad that someone who served for 15 years was forced out solely because he was gay. I think that's lousy. That doesn't mean I'm disloyal, or any other games that are going on here.

          •  I don't like outing... (4.00)
            since everyone has a coming out process. God knows it would have killed me (maybe literally) to be forced out of the closet before I was ready.

            That said, I do think that exposing hipocracy is the only valid reason. This guy makes his livelyhood off of espousing an anti-gay agenda, and then goes and gets rogered on the side in secret. The term "self-hating" comes to mind...

            This is not a case of rushing somebody's coming out process. This is a case of taking the loaded gun out of the crazy drunks hands, and acknowledging that anyone in that seat is better. Hell, I'll even take a truly moral Christian evangelical in that seat, as at least we'll know that the agenda comes from conviction, and can be run against in a sane race...

            "Bush's family had business dealings with Bin Laden's family for 25 years? Why the hell isn't anyone talking about that?!" --my mom

            by el ganador on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:56:30 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  So what you're saying is (3.25)
    "Schrock Likes Cock."
  •  If this is true and there's real evidence, (none)
    Schrock's opponent should run with it. The GOP has become downright dirty and nasty, and they've held the Congress for 10 years. We are in a vicious and difficult fight for the future of this nation: this guy needs to be exposed as the real person he is -- someone who probably wouldn't win in his relatively conservative district.
  •  I hope you dont mind (none)
    but i stole this and blogged it (with references et al).

    A few more possible pickups and we may just be able to do what everyone said was impossible... except Howard Dean... who said it was his goal.. taking back both houses And the presidency.
    I'll get on my knees and thank god on that day.

    "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." - pRresident Bush | My other Drunken ravings

    by cdreid on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:38:39 PM PDT

  •  hypocrites (none)
    All these Christian moralists in politics have simply figured out what their constituency wants to hear. There is absolutely no logical reason to assume that these people are more "moral" than anyone else in their personal lives. They are just as likely to be hypocrites. I rejoice every time one of these hypocrites like Bill Bennett who use morality as a rhetorical weapon to marginalize people who care about the poor and the environment are "outed." Hopefully people will wise up and stop falling for these charlatans.

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